Secret Invasion 3: Betrayal | Marvel

Derek: 0:13

Hey, i'm Derek And I'm Noah, and you're listening to A Bite Of Where we take our current favorite pop culture obsession and enjoy it one nibble at a time. Pop culture meaning fandoms.

Noah: 0:24

TV movies, all that fun stuff.

Derek: 0:27

I want there to be a cereal called pop culture obsession. Oh, pop culture obsession.

Noah: 0:35

Trademark.

Derek: 0:37

We're making a cereal people. That's right. Oh my God, it's going to be delicious.

Noah: 0:44

We could do our pampered pop culture patreon stuff while eating. Yes, Didn't? we did a cereal one right?

Derek: 0:51

Yes, we did. We did a cereal where we tried all of the Halloween cereals. Like chocolate blueberry. They're coming out with a new one. by the way, what Didn't they come out with?

Noah: 1:03

fruit, fruit or whatever fruit.

Derek: 1:05

He was an old one that they brought back. They made a brand new one with a female presenting monster on the box That's caramel apple flavored. Oh yeah, it got him at a happy No All right. Well, so October folks look forward to us trying that. And for the release of pop culture obsessions, the cereal. Start your mornings with pop culture obsession.

Noah: 1:29

Well, we'll have to go through the logistics. Maybe we'll ask our discord what the flavor and stuff should be.

Derek: 1:35

Yeah, Should there be varieties? Also, how do you make a cereal Roast some oats? Oh, we're doing it homegrown, ok. Ok, you know, i make a me and granola.

Noah: 1:47

I do. All right, so this is the third episode Halfway Secret invasion. We're halfway through this, which is crazy to think about. It feels like it was just yesterday when we saw Samuel Jackson again reprise his role as Nick Fury. We're halfway through.

Derek: 2:04

It felt like just yesterday when we saw Maria Hill die for some reason For some reason, for some reason.

Noah: 2:11

But I have to task you operatives with a quest, a mission Follow us on all social media platforms. We're there, we like it. Say hi, you know, threads just came out.

Derek: 2:22

As we say, are we on threads? Yeah, it's there.

Noah: 2:25

You know all of them, We're on all of them. We'll see which one lasts.

Derek: 2:29

Every time I go on Instagram now it says I have a notification. I'm like whoa, someone interact with me. And then I go on it and it's like so and so posted on threads. Yeah, go download it, you fool. Yeah.

Noah: 2:40

So that's one of your missions as an operative of a bite of. Also, we have a Patreon dollar a month or a trial. You get to experience our before the MCU episodes. The next one this month is the Punisher 1989's Punisher. It's going to be very hard to find. We'll see about doing maybe a watch party type situation on Discord. Oh, because it's on YouTube and we'll just put it out there for you guys to watch. It's a little easier. The first one we did was Howard the Duck. That was a lot of fun. So if you want to listen to that, go there.

Derek: 3:14

I feel like I'm so intrigued by this the Punisher because I didn't even know it existed.

Noah: 3:20

Yeah, i mean apparently none of the streaming platforms, nor anywhere where you can rent movies, think it exists either, because it's nowhere to be found And it's very expensive to buy it. So, yeah, so YouTube it is. And then, last but not least, subscribe, review, all that great stuff. We got to talk about this episode, so let's just get into that.

Derek: 3:43

Yeah. So let's take a look back at Secret Invasion, episode 2 Promises Back in 1997, we see Nick Fury promising a group of scrolls, including a young Gravic, that he and Captain Marvel will find them a new home if they pledge to help defend the Earth. Spoiler alert they didn't find them a new home. Flash forward to the aftermath of the Moscow bombing and Fury is whisked away by Talos On a train ride. Fury discovers that there are one million scrolls living on Earth. He's mad, so he kicks his friend off the tracks. After fighting with Talos, he meets Rody, who essentially fires him from his post. Meanwhile, sonia is quite good at the torture and Gaia discovers the ingredients of a super scroll. Having nowhere else to turn, fury goes home to his wife.

Noah: 4:34

Surprise, he's a scroll.

Derek: 4:36

Surprise, he is a wife, so Why'd you go Italian? I thought you were doing Borat. I was trying to do Borat. I'm not good at my Borat, you know I slip in and out of my accents.

Noah: 4:46

I think it's fine. I don't think it's a prerequisite, you know what set me off was the frute frute.

Derek: 4:51

So now I'm at his wife. I knew I was going to regret bringing up that video Frute, frute. So let us officially take a bite of Secret Invasion, episode 3, betrayed Yeah spoilers ahead.

Noah: 5:06

All the secrets will be revealed for Episode 3. We don't want to betray you with spoiling it. Go watch it, come back. It's shorter than all the other weeks, so here we go. This episode is probably going to be shorter than all the other weeks as well.

Derek: 5:20

There's a lot of conversations happening in this episode, all right, so give me your instant reactions for this episode.

Noah: 5:28

We're halfway through it. Pieces are continuing to move. How are you feeling? Let's do a little check-in.

Derek: 5:34

OK. So this is how I'm feeling. I'm feeling like this, huh, and then I'm feeling like OK, and then I'm like wait a minute. And then I was like, oh no.

Noah: 5:47

So that's how this episode made me feel, and I can actually pinpoint every moment that you were feeling that Right Accurate Thank you Yeah.

Derek: 5:56

That's the only way I could describe how I was feeling. Yeah, I mean, one of my actually my favorite things of this episode was kind of seeing Talos take charge a little bit, being like the fierce badass that he is being like very step up, And then he's also like watch this because I'm so strong, You ain't got nothing without me, So that I appreciated.

Noah: 6:18

Yeah, he did really do some digs at him, that's pretty nice, as he should. Yeah, it did seem like this episode Talos kind of stepped up a bit, especially from the first one. He got knocked back a little bit whenever Fury killed that scroll in front of him. It seems like now he's kind of pushing a little further And I don't know if that's because Gaia is more helping. He has his daughter back. Maybe that's why I liked it. I didn't think it was the strongest one out of the series. There's definitely scenes in here and things that were happening that were really cool and better than some of the other episodes, but I do have to say this is probably like the second best episode. I want to say the second one was probably peak so far for me. Yeah, i agree, it's really funny, right, this episode is just like a sting operation to find a mole And that's what this whole episode is, which is really funny and kind of interesting to do for a series that only has six episodes.

Derek: 7:16

Yeah, this episode felt very much like a bridge trying to get us to the next episode. It's kind of like figuring things out, uncovering some more powers, stuff, but other than that, yeah, you're right, it's kind of this is our midway point And we're just kind of doing a sting operation on the bad guy side, where the good guys are kind of pawns Right in that sting operation.

Noah: 7:39

In that sting operation, which is funny. The sting operation is catastrophic, right, and it's like it does have consequences if it actually went through, but the fact that Gravik was like, i need to find the mole, let me try to start World War 3, just to find this mole.

Derek: 7:53

Yeah, i know, i know what I'll do. I know Nuclear war.

Noah: 7:56

Let's shoot down that.

Derek: 7:57

UN plane, why not?

Noah: 7:58

We got this.

Derek: 8:00

Just guys get on that sub real quick.

Noah: 8:03

Infiltrate. So, going into the episode, we get a good conversation with Fury and his wife Priscilla, And I think we needed it because we had some questions after the second one And we were like wait, so did you not talk to her? Like this is weird, Like where was she? How did this relationship work while you were up on your space station? It turns out he just left her.

Derek: 8:30

Yeah, the question of how did it work? The answer is it did not. It did not.

Noah: 8:35

She was still very calm, cool and collected for him to just show up. Well, that's just her vibe.

Derek: 8:41

Yeah Right, She's just vibing. She's like I'm living in this mansion in England. Oh look, who's back. I'm going to continue cooking dinner.

Noah: 8:49

Maybe that's why she shifted into human form. I mean, it seems like she is in her human form around him And I don't know if that's just for budget reasons and they don't want to keep doing that, but maybe just presenting because she has a human relationship. Maybe that's just how she does it and she's more comfortable in that skin now.

Derek: 9:07

And maybe, yeah, maybe, there's just something to be said about, like how scrolls exist on Earth And there is. I mean, there's always the chance that someone can come to your door, someone can walk up to a window, so you want to be in the form that they would be used to, right, not a scroll Yeah, ah. What the heck.

Noah: 9:24

Who's sauteing that broccoli? Here's your Instacart order. Oh my God, amazon, whoa.

Derek: 9:30

Cable guy.

Noah: 9:31

But it is really messed up and I don't blame her for holding resentment towards Fury because he was gone during the blip So five years. Came back and was like bye, i'm still going to leave. So like we have, there's close to a decade of just her not being with her husband. And she was apparently. She wasn't snapped out of existence, so she was just waiting around and then she's like great, he's back. Oh, cool, i have to grieve you. So the line where she says that I'm a widower twice, yeah, and that you know.

Derek: 10:04

I don't.

Noah: 10:05

I kind of don't blame her.

Derek: 10:06

I don't blame her either. I mean, it's that conversation of what is Fury putting first in his life, and it feels like he put his job first.

Noah: 10:15

But he even like he didn't even communicate with Maria Hill either. It's like he kind of just disconnected and went the furthest distance he possibly could.

Derek: 10:25

Is it one of those things of him being like the less people who know where I am, the less danger there is for them?

Noah: 10:31

Maybe That seems like a very spy thing to do, because otherwise he's just a dick. Yeah, well, i think there's a part of that too, where he just was selfish and not understanding what he was doing to the people.

Derek: 10:44

I mean, i get like a little edgy if you're out running errands for like an hour and I haven't heard from you. I'm like well, he's gone forever.

Noah: 10:50

So we live in New York, so yeah, could take an hour.

Derek: 10:53

I can't imagine what she felt with him in space, not talking, not talking. So, yeah, and I completely get it. It's also that thing of I've been leading a life now for how many years. Right, i am happy to see you're here, i'm happy to see you're alive, but I'm kind of in the middle of something.

Noah: 11:11

Yeah, like you don't come into my life out of nowhere what you want to and tell me how to do things and ask me questions. I'm going to ask you Absolutely. And I liked how she was very much like in control of the whole situation because it is her house, it's her territory, she knows what she's doing.

Derek: 11:29

This is the perfect illustration of how to have a conversation with your spouse. You keep cool, calm and collected.

Noah: 11:37

You keep it to, i feel, feelings and statements and you just say how you feel And you let them take a call when they need to take a call.

Derek: 11:46

Yes, a call That was not even a hello.

Noah: 11:50

There is some theories going around and it actually made me This is one of the theories where I was like, oh, this actually makes some sense. So there's theories about his glasses that he's wearing. We know that his glasses can show infrared right. They're spy glasses, Let's say they're a lot like Edith or Tony Stark's glasses that Peter Parker got. Yeah they can do a variety of things. It's interesting when he decides to wear his glasses and when he doesn't. Most of the time, when he's not wearing his glasses, he's around Talos, but when he is wearing his glasses he's around Rodey, he's around graphic, he's around all these other people. So I'm curious if the glasses can also sense when somebody's lying, like heartbeat and stuff like that, and it seems like he was really focused on her when he was asking her questions. And then the scene where she's had she takes the call, he turns his back from her And I don't know if that was a reason of like, oh, something in the glasses can hear the phone call. That's like by the ear, so that he kind of turned so he could hear it. It's interesting, like I think. Once I started seeing people talk about that, i was like that makes some sense because he's wearing glasses in certain places, but not like why not just wearing them all the time, especially if they're super spy glasses?

Derek: 13:05

I yeah, I think that's actually really interesting And we have to remember, while we are seeing it as the viewer, as Fury being the pawn and all these other people's plans, we have to have faith that Fury knows what's going on to some extent. We just don't know what he knows and what he's doing.

Noah: 13:23

He's definitely going to know more than he's letting on and that we're going to see, because he's going to act a certain way in front of certain people to get what he wants.

Derek: 13:32

Right, and also, let's not forget, he was living in space on an alien spacecraft, so he has tech from them, true, right, yeah, i mean like he came back to earth with absolutely nothing.

Noah: 13:44

No weapons, just glasses.

Derek: 13:46

Just glasses.

Noah: 13:47

It's got to be special in some way We did get some flashback of them. They're budding romance back in 1998. So we got a year after we first see Priscilla.

Derek: 14:00

That meeting Yeah.

Noah: 14:01

And when he made everybody pledge themselves to the human race and Fury's cause. She's still wearing that ring. I think it's interesting that they keep showing the ring but she's not wearing it in the present time. I want to know more about this ring. Why are they showing it? It's you know they put details in movies and shows for a reason and keeping my eye on that ring. I want to know when it comes off and why.

Derek: 14:25

There's also the thought of being in love and wearing your wedding ring, and when someone disappears for X amount of years, you don't wear it anymore.

Noah: 14:33

But she had it. You don't have that allegiance to that. She had it the year prior, so I'm curious if it is because of Nick or is it past. I don't know.

Derek: 14:42

She married someone else. We should go Is Gravick her son.

Noah: 14:45

No.

Derek: 14:46

I don't know, i'm just saying maybe.

Noah: 14:47

No, his parents died, remember, and then she died.

Derek: 14:49

They died a brilliant death, but did they both die A brilliant death?

Noah: 14:54

Oh, that's a good quote. Oh, because I guess Nick wouldn't know if she was his parent or not. Hello, I don't know, in this scene we do see that she's passing a bloodstained envelope to Nick And she mentions Drake off. Drake off is the villain of Black Widow. He's the runner of the Russian Red Room. The taskmaster thing I'm curious because of when this takes place and she talks about oh this, will you know, help Drake off Men, blah, blah, blah. I'm curious if this is then the mission that Nick Fury sends Natasha on to save younger taskmaster or try to attempt to stop that bombing, and that's what ends up disfiguring her in some way, which then led her to becoming taskmaster. So I'm curious if a lot of these situations and the things that Fury sends his agents out to are because of scrolls, and I think now we can infer that a lot of that actually might be because of them and not because Fury has some omnipotent intelligence and he's that good. He actually was just using his secret army.

Derek: 16:04

And I think that even begs the question of how involved is Priscilla in all of these things as well.

Noah: 16:10

She is involved Right.

Derek: 16:11

Yeah, and I think that what you're saying leads us to the conversation that he and Talos have. Where he's, talos is saying to him Oh, you think you defeated this person because you're so great. Actually it's because of us, right? so Talos is coming out, right out and saying it to him.

Noah: 16:29

I feel like it's fair. It's a fair thing. You asked us to do all these things for you, to wear your guys's skin, to look like you, to work for you, with the promise of finding a new home. I'm not saying I'm, this is Talos. I'm not saying that like I regret the things we did because it was good work, but like don't act like you did all of it yourself.

Derek: 16:51

A lot of it was us and fair, very fair, and I think that's something about fury, right. We have we've had conversations earlier in this season saying, like, when are people with powers gonna come in? What is fury gonna do? You know how is he gonna defend the earth? And I think that really relates to this. Fury has a lot of power. Fury is a logistical, you know, savant. He knows where his superpower people are. He knows who he needs to go on what missions. He has all the info. He has all the info, and this is just another side of it. Another group that he in a way uses or, you know, works with, probably in His mind, is not using them, but maybe to them it feels like using them. Yeah, and you know, fury, it's great that you're getting all the glory, but don't forget about all your soldiers. Yeah you know, and that actually kind of mirrors something that Gravick says In this episode as well. When they're he's looking at the painting with Talos He's like look at all these men in this room that make the decisions, they sit there and they get to look pretty, but what about the soldiers? what about the warriors and kind of fury? is the person sitting in?

Noah: 17:52

the room a lot, but it isn't interesting. You know, gravick's Ideology and the way he operates is not good. It's. It's verging on like Coltie, especially when him and Talos were talking, and Talos grabs him and everybody doesn't change into a scroll, they change into him. It's very like a little too much. You will become your leader. You all look like me, drink the Kool-Aid, right, but so that's It's. It's mirroring each other and Talos and Gravick have some sort of you know wherewithal to be like. Yes, fury does what he does and he's a great person, but he is the person in the room sitting there getting painted or photographed while everybody else out here is dying and doing the work. Yeah, gravick's is just taking it, gravick, i keep saying Gravick's.

Derek: 18:40

I know I feel like I want it to have a KS Or an X at the end of it, but it's Gravick.

Noah: 18:45

Yeah, at least this one has a vowel instead of clerk. Clerk has no vowels, good old clerk and an apostrophe.

Derek: 18:51

Forget about that guy. I got the apostrophe though this time around, but she has vows that's true, so it's fine.

Noah: 18:58

But that that whole scene. I loved that scene. I loved them hashing it out. You know Talos came in hot with Okay, you do understand. Like, have you not seen how humans react when their world or species is in danger? There's a thing called the Avengers. How many threats have they stopped? How are you like a few scrolls going to possibly overthrow all that? Maybe they could take over normal people, because they have been doing it. But whenever super powered people are gonna come into this, we know our heroes are somehow Going to throw them over. But the question is How? how was that gonna happen if fury, talos, all of them, aren't telling these super powered people that could help them?

Derek: 19:47

So now it's normal people, or how we think, is normal people, not a scroll going to overthrow this and I even think we need to sort of think a step further in the fact of Which of our super powered heroes might be scrolls right, because when we think back to the comic book series secret invasion, half of them were scrolls, yeah, which is insane, because it's like they took them from way back and Like they've been scrolls this whole time. Absolutely, yeah. So I mean, that's another, that's another level of this conversation. I don't know if secret invasion will necessarily get to that level, but I think that we have to think about that, seeing that in this small cast of people that we have now, we know that we can't really trust that many of that. Maybe two right.

Noah: 20:29

There's. There's this interesting kind of parallel that goes on to with how graphic is talking to Talos and talking about how Humans are weak. They're blah, blah, blah. We need to take over all this stuff. But yet the super scroll stuff, the science behind that, it's not scrolls doing it. He needed human science, human scientists, dna research To do it. So it's like you're almost, i Wouldn't say, going as far as fury, but you're doing almost the same thing.

Derek: 20:59

Yeah, I think there's something to be said about what it means to be a leader and who you're depending on to get what you want.

Noah: 21:06

Done, done Yeah but you can't be like he's doing it wrong. I'm just gonna do it, but to get powers and make people work for me, and Do you really I? Mean when it comes down to a graphic, seems to not necessarily care about the means no just needs the end, not at all, not At all the I love the tension that was building between these two. I'm surprised they did. I know it was a parlay, so you're not supposed to really, you know, do anything to hurt the other person. These leaders coming meet. I am surprised that graphic didn't do anything and in turn It almost seems like because we know the whole plot with the submarine and the thing He almost hoped something like that would happen. Maybe that's why he had Gaia take him there.

Derek: 21:50

Well, I believe that's the whole point of this scene and this episode. Like we said, it's a sting operation, so graphic, can't kill The person or hurt the person that he is counting on to figure out who's leaking information from his side. So he's gonna take whatever he's going to take from, you know, talos, which in this sense is a knife in the hand, and let it happen because he needs to connect the dots. And You know, number one person He's suspecting obviously is Gaia, so he's not gonna kill her father or take her father captive because he needs to know that it's her that's releasing the information.

Noah: 22:27

Yeah, yeah, i'm, i'm hoping. It seems like Gaia has kind of I'm not too sure what happened with the backpacks and the infrared and Her information not necessarily being totally true. Maybe Graphic had assumed and he put the bomb somewhere else and didn't even put it on the people, and It seemed like Gaia's information was kind of slippery. But nothing ever came from that, you know, and it would. Talos wasn't like oh, gaia gave us the wrong information, it really wasn't in the backpacks to distract us. So I'm curious if graphic even back then had to assume That Gaia might have been compromised in some way. But I'm glad that it seems like Gaia is not necessarily fully on Graphic side and she knows that Talos needs to know all this information.

Derek: 23:13

I think the thing with Gaia is that Gaia wants At the base level what Gravic wants, not necessarily total human domination home a home, but he's taking it to a level that she's not comfortable with which is nuclear war and death, you know right, but I do wish that We got a little more of seeing her Repair her relationship with Talos, because they had a run-in in the first episode There was the whole backpack thing and then, out of nowhere, they're like fully communicating with each other and she's doing intel for him.

Noah: 23:48

Well since this, so the episode does get the mole out Right. Gravic fully knows that guy is working with them and everything, so I'm assuming That she is maybe going to join forces with him and maybe they'll have more screen time together, because I Do want that. I want more of them Interacting with each other and working together. I think it would be a cooler dynamic, aside from Talos kind of Waiting for her to give her information and then risking her position and working with Nick blah, blah, blah. So I'm hoping that, since now she's kind of half to cut ties with all of them, that now she's fully on Team Talos and not Gravic. Hashtag team Talos.

Derek: 24:31

Love you dad.

Noah: 24:34

The submarine plot was fine. It's very much like hunt for red October. Situation to keys mission impossible. Yeah, ghost protocol, all of that. Two keys, i'm not. I mean, was it nuclear sub? because that's usually like nuclear.

Derek: 24:49

Yeah, nuclear, it was a nuclear sub, it was yeah.

Noah: 24:53

Oh that's. You're gonna blow up a plane with a nuclear bomb. Mama, That's a lot. That's Gravic for you, that's. But you know what? yeah, i mean the worst bomb. I Want to blow up one plane.

Derek: 25:05

Well, right he needed people to be scared about this. He needed them to try and stop the plot, because he needed to know who is the mole.

Noah: 25:14

It would make sense. I mean, that's probably why he had his like second in commando. Yeah, the new person that guy brought in, and then some some other guy a regular missile, no one would care about it.

Derek: 25:24

Nuclear, omg.

Noah: 25:25

But like did he really sacrifice these three other?

Derek: 25:30

Scrolls, because guess what, just once, once he's got an army of super scrolls, it don't matter about these weaklings anymore the poor, the poor new scroll.

Noah: 25:40

He seemed like he really was like in on the cause. He's just too young. Yeah, that's on, guy.

Derek: 25:45

She had. That's on guy, that's on guy. As she whipped out that blue fruit. He was. He was hypnotized and ready and now look at him. Good job, gaia.

Noah: 25:56

We got a really Cool. I again. I think this is really the only action set piece in this. This one And the action pieces are very far in between so far in these three episodes It's more towards the end of the episodes that we get something happening guns being used, sneaking around Again. This is a third episode with a lot of exposition, a lot of talking, a lot of grievances being put out into the open When they're going to that general's house to get the code to stop the thing. It's a race against trying to stop that plot from happening. I liked it. I like those like trying to sneak into a place without getting detected, blah, blah, blah. The interesting thing about now what we for sure know is that Nick says even in Captain Marvel, nobody calls me Nick, they only call me fury. He called, he told Captain Marvel that he just fat. In this episode, when Talos is being held hostage with the gun against his head, either Talos said that or the person posed as Talos to tell him over the the earpiece. Oh, i'm fine, nick, i was just beating up this guy. He knew something was wrong because nobody calls him Nick. So if we think back a little bit, who recently called him Nick And it's roadie. Roadie just recently called him Nick and if roadie is Roadie, i would assume that he didn't. He wouldn't call him Nick in this series if it wasn't supposed to be a red flag.

Derek: 27:23

Right, i mean, it is okay, i love that. I feel like that's the thing that happens in these. You know body double things. Like you know you don't call. You've never called me mom your entire life. But they know fury saying yeah you've never called me mom, you've only called me mama, mommy, mommy. But it is sort of silly because We have these Whatever mind zapping machines that apparently take every piece of information From the brain of the person. I mean, i guess in this instance, when he's becoming quickly becoming Talos, he hasn't done a full brain scan, right. But the roadie instance you would think that they have roadie in a pod somewhere and they're, you know, going through his brain.

Noah: 28:09

Maybe I mean but also was that's where I'm kind of like I don't think we'll know is if Talos said it to fury, to tip him off, that something's happening? Or if the guy that was holding him hostage said it and slipped, got it? I think either way, it kind of like does what it needed to do. Sure, but I mean, even if you think back, i can guarantee you people called him Nick.

Derek: 28:33

I, yeah. I mean, it could also just be a thing of roadie, being like we're not friends anymore. Nick, i'm calling you Nick.

Noah: 28:39

Yeah, but I think in this series He said it two times where it's like nobody calls me Nick. I think now, from now on, when people call him Nick, red flag, red flag, yeah, like we don't, we can't trust him. I can't trust anybody in the show, i don't even. I don't even trust Nick. What is his?

Derek: 28:54

wife, all them, i don't know boo?

Noah: 28:59

Does she call him Nick? I don't remember. Welcome home you. Yeah, welcome home, stranger. Good to see you. Fairy Abandoner, yeah, there you go. Ghost, i love my life that left me twice.

Derek: 29:16

Demon Space Ranger.

Noah: 29:21

But how do you feel about the code being Zachary This, the kid that was there that fury so easily just held hostage and put a gun against his head? The code to stop the bomb was Zachary This is the problem with work from home situations.

Derek: 29:43

Okay, you are getting ready to launch nuclear war in your home office. Guess what? Your kid becomes a bargaining chip, sorry.

Noah: 29:53

I do want to say and I don't mean to make it like serious or like look far into it This is just how my brain works, right, when Gaia goes to the guy that's in that tethering pod, whatever it is, gaia goes to the guy Yeah, giggity, giggity, and she's looking through the memories to try to figure out what possibly the code could be. I actually liked how that was set up. It looks like you're kind of looking under water.

Derek: 30:17

It's a way to show that Yeah, it was like technical and but alien tech, right, it was fun, right On the nose.

Noah: 30:26

All of the things that you see is of the kid and him. So it's like you're seeing all these things like going to the movies doing something and it's like all about the kid, which makes sense. It's like, okay, zachary is the thing, but you have to think, like the scroll isn't the kid's father, but he's probably been in that position so long that he's grown an attachment to the actual kid. So there's something to be said about how long they're like in those positions and how much they kind of change with that. Because it's interesting, right, if he was really this just like shadow soldier and just trying to do a job, kill him. What do I care? Yeah, he went care, yeah, and I just want to show that you know, even when they are doing something like this for a cause, that there is some type of person in there that can't help form those attachments.

Derek: 31:17

Well, that's one of the things about the scrolls is that they're not the, they're not, you know, quote like aliens. They, they are a race of humanoid species, of people, right, and so they obviously have bonds, they have relationships, they know love, they have family, they have children. They are so far off at all that they would grow attachment to these people.

Noah: 31:38

But you know? what they don't understand, tell me, is the relationship between people and dogs, tell us, was like wait, so you're telling me that it's OK for you to pick up this other species, poop.

Derek: 31:51

Yeah, when, when they showed that Dalmatian, i was like hmm they're going to make a comment that Dalmatian's a scroll. It's a scroll, that's not Pongo.

Noah: 32:02

Yeah, did you notice I'm sorry, this is just like a thing I don't know why bringing up Dalmatian and stuff like that made me think of this That Priscilla's human form, skin, has aged with her. When we see her in 1989, 1998, 1923, we're doing the Punisher from 1989. So your brain she's younger, but when we look at her now it's aged slightly And I don't know if that's they don't want to pay for the aging stuff or she's kind of aging with fury, which is kind of sweet. I want to say I'm just putting it out there. That's the only thing. That's the reason why I wanted to bring it up, because I feel like she doesn't totally hate him. She obviously still loves him.

Derek: 32:46

Well, yeah, i think, and I also think there's. If you're going to be a good undercover soldier, you have to learn the ways of the planet that you're on. So being young forever isn't what happens, so I guess you can kind of manipulate it.

Noah: 33:01

She's in the freaking woods.

Derek: 33:03

It's not like she and she just stays there forever.

Noah: 33:09

All right, so we are nearly done talking about this episode. I do have to mention our one minute of screen time of Sonia Fallsworth, because I love Olivia Coleman Every scene she's in. I don't think anybody can disagree that one. She looks amazing, she always has clocks around her and she always has a burn of some sort to say to whoever she's talking to She found that spy gear that was on the owl. The spy ball was named Hoot, now it's named Nicholas Fury.

Derek: 33:42

And she gave it a little tiny eye patch. So good, because you know why we've been missing Fury's eye patch, so we're happy to see the owl is bringing it back. I love that she was like you know what, here's your eye patch. I also like the thought of her crafting at her desk that afternoon. She totally sewed that herself.

Noah: 33:59

Yeah Yeah, she had a bottle of red wine. She was in a beautiful dark red dress and she was like you know what? I need to make an eye patch?

Derek: 34:06

She really leads an interesting life. She is a torture extraordinaire spy maven also hashtag DIY crafter She's a crafter for sure. It's Sonya Crafts.

Noah: 34:19

Yeah, get her All social media platforms.

Derek: 34:21

She's going to be on the next season of Making It with Amy Poehler and Nick Offerman And she's going to talk about how much she loves red wine.

Noah: 34:28

And she will win, because if not, she will cut their fingers off, they will die.

Derek: 34:32

She will inject them with blood boiling.

Noah: 34:36

In this scene. The only thing I want to say that was of note was the guy that she says that she's keeping an eye on that. She has a mole herself, and it was the guy that we saw her talking to from the owl thing, the redheaded guy. You know who that is? Tell me, and I only know this because I looked at the credits. It is the same actor that played Van Gogh in the Doctor Who episode. Oh, the famous The famous, the famous episode, one of the best episodes. I just love to see him back. Also, bring in all the British people, because she's British, you know, makes sense to me. Bring them all back. Yeah, definitely All right. So final two things. We got to talk about the big things in this episode. Again, this is following the same trend of the other two episodes, where the end of the episode is have some type of cliffhanger to bring you back next week. The first one we can talk about is Priscilla. She has another phone call. She says she wants to talk to Gravic. No, you're going to meet me here at this church, you're talking to me. She goes to a safety deposit box. She gets a gun, a gun. I don't know why she has a gun there.

Derek: 35:44

I think that they sent her to the box and said pick up what's in the box, and it's a gun. And she knows that the message is kill them Fury, yeah, aw. That's the message, probably Because he's only a human, he just needs a bullet.

Noah: 35:58

You see like you're picking up on the spy craft really well.

Derek: 36:00

Yeah, because she got there and she was like yo, this is the fanciest bank I've ever been to, And I said the same thing.

Noah: 36:08

There's a full, 100% gold table.

Derek: 36:10

Gold plated security deposit boxes and an ornate ivory and granite table.

Noah: 36:17

No, the table was gold Gold.

Derek: 36:19

Full gold. Gold was fancy. Everything in that room was so fancy.

Noah: 36:23

So we now know that possibly the person she was talking to when Fury was in the room at the beginning of the episode was Rody, because here, when we hear the voice, it's clearly Don Cheadle. He was credited in the episode. Apparently, if you listen to the German dubbed version, the same actor that played Rody it's also voicing it on the phone. It's Rody, and we know that he is a scroll. How long? That's the biggest question, i don't. I can't see it being far back right, because even stuff that happened in Falcon and Winther Soldier, the stuff that he did for Sam Wilson, the talking about how it's being black men in this country and everything like that, i don't think they'll go that far back.

Derek: 37:13

Too personal.

Noah: 37:14

It's too personal. It's too personal to take away some of that weight and the decisions to do that and write it that way. But again we're at this weird place in Marvel where, just because one creator did a thing, how are they going to tie it to that with the story they need to tell?

Derek: 37:30

I'm interested in seeing you know, the question of how far back is still out there, but I'm really interested in seeing how he was captured.

Noah: 37:38

I mean I want to say you know that is true, because I mean it did seem like whenever she got the call she either knew, expected the call and knew it was going to be him, or maybe she just gets calls like that and she has to answer it.

Derek: 37:52

Yeah, that's her work phone, So she knows she's getting calls like that on that phone.

Noah: 37:56

Where Priscilla goes with this and what she's going to do with the gun, i think is an interesting question. I feel like we can trust her. I don't know if she's going to have. I feel like there might be some double spycraft, double agenting going on. She's either infiltrating it And so is the scroll that's playing roadie, who knows. But we do know that when Talos and Nick Fury talk in that bar, when they first are like mom and dad are making up and they're not really fighting anymore, he says that I have a lead on somebody that is high up in the US government Where he got that information from. Like, the last episode to now makes me believe that he heard something on her phone and it was roadie, and that's how he's piecing those two things together. I don't know who to trust, right, it's like are they bad scrolls? Are the good scrolls? Is Talos also doing something that Fury doesn't know about because he knows that he wouldn't like it?

Derek: 38:53

I want to think that Talos himself has an army of scrolls, that he's working with a group of people that he or of scrolls that he can trust, and maybe they're a part of it.

Noah: 39:06

But why wouldn't he just go to roadie and be like hey, we need help because of this? I don't see roadie being like, no, Or maybe I don't know, I don't know. It's interesting. Also, where is roadie's body?

Derek: 39:19

Like he's in the broke down warehouse in Russia.

Noah: 39:23

No, you know what? That place is radiated like crazy And there's human bodies just there. All of them are going to come out dead.

Derek: 39:35

That is a question. Why are they keeping them alive? Once you take their form, you're done. If you've done a brain scan, you're done. They're not living anymore. You don't need to know anything about them.

Noah: 39:49

Maybe it takes a while to get all the information. Maybe they have it that way in case they need to pull information. They got to download it to the USB. Yeah, because it might be too much to download everything about somebody.

Derek: 39:59

Yeah, they're uploading it to the cloud. Yeah, the scroll file. We saw they're still using MS-DOS, so it's going to take a long time for them to download all that info, except for in the lab.

Noah: 40:09

The lab had super high tech, like see through Tony Stark tech. It's great. That graphic keeps all the good stuff for himself selfish, okay, graphic and Gaia We got to talk about this The scene with Talos and Gravic whenever Talos stabs him in the hand, and it was a very graphic scene and I did not expect to see that. We see that he has the healing powers of extremis, meaning he has gone through this, which I did like seeing, because it means he believes in it instead of just like I'm sure he tested people first, but he did it himself, so he's not like oh, i just need to have all these people die and keep testing it and then I'll do it. He already went through the procedure or flashing bulbs to get himself powers, so that's cool.

Derek: 40:53

Yeah, they changed a few of them into Goop, though, once they got all that worked out.

Noah: 40:58

Then he was like, okay, i'll go through it, But it's not a good sign that he has the healing powers of extremis We know from the trailer he's going to get the extendable stuff from Groot. Arms. I'm wondering if it's going to be all four of those powers for every single one, or can you pick and choose?

Derek: 41:15

Or maybe because he's the leader, he gets all four, but everybody else can have one. Choose one circle your number one. Choice put two. Maybe you'll get number two.

Noah: 41:25

Yeah, how did you like the name drop of Super Skrulls, that Gravix so very non-scripted and very not out of place and shoehorned into that Congress I mean?

Derek: 41:38

I think we were all like duh.

Noah: 41:40

Yeah, when he said it, because he was like super powered beings, blah, blah, blah, and I was like don't you say it, Dude, don't you say it. And he was like Super Skrulls, I was like you know what? It's fine.

Derek: 41:49

You're like, it's like how everyone was waiting for Captain America to say Avengers.

Noah: 41:55

Avengers is simple. Well, that took a decade and well worth it.

Derek: 41:58

Exactly So.

Noah: 41:59

it did not have the same payoff for you, three episodes and you're talking to other Skrulls that are posing as the freaking Prime Minister.

Derek: 42:06

Yeah, i mean our man Gravix here. We have to really question how long he's going to be around, and he needs to get all of his catchphrases out ASAP.

Noah: 42:16

You know I am one of those people where I don't like the one and done villains. I feel like some of them are fine, but I kind of want some of these villains to stick around. You know what I mean. Like I want them to show up again. I don't want it to be like they're defeated done. It's just kind of not how comics work And I just want some of these guys to survive. I think it would be interesting if, depending on how the series goes, if Gravix Gravix survived and then Super Skrulls and stuff And they came back later on because I don't want Super Skrulls to be gone, mostly because the Fantastic Four has to happen. I'm just like just don't die, not all of you.

Derek: 42:53

Well, hopefully, the next time we see Super Skrulls it'll be the actual Super Skrull, clurt with the Fantastic Four powers.

Noah: 43:01

So you know this episode wouldn't be complete without them yet again shooting one of the lead women characters.

Derek: 43:11

Let me say something.

Noah: 43:12

Okay.

Derek: 43:13

There are, only at this point, two other female leads. If they die, who's the other one? I'm not sure. So I mean there's just shooting people The same exact way.

Noah: 43:27

Yep. Gravix goes out there, knows that Gaia did what she did, shoots her. Same situation that happened in Maria Hitch. He has a MO that he likes to do, apparently.

Derek: 43:39

For someone with Super Skrull powers, he sure does like to rely on a gun, yeah. He could be a little more inventive.

Noah: 43:48

That's messy, quicker, shocking. He's brutal. Yeah, he's a jerk. She does revert back to her Skrull form. I do not believe she's dead. You do not get somebody like Amelia Clark to sign on to an MCU property to then kill her Three episodes Three episodes in Maria Hill I get as a red herring She's probably going to stay dead. I don't want to hear about the duplicates and all that stuff. I kind of hope she's still dead because if both of these characters come back, like I know, gaia is going to come back. Where's the stakes? Where's the consequences? Everybody's just going to die and come back. It's like okay, cool.

Derek: 44:26

Well, that's. I mean, that's kind of the I don't know if problems the right word, but that's one of the things about this introducing the Skrulls is that anyone can die and then they could be like it was the Skrull of them.

Noah: 44:40

Yeah, That's what I'm hoping doesn't happen because, Maria would have to come back as a Skrull or as the duplicate like with what?

Derek: 44:48

was in Agents of Shield, wherever they're holding Rody Maria Hill is right next to her No stop.

Noah: 44:55

But I do. I feel like, because she was in the lab and she did all that and she saw them use the machine on people, she knows what it is. She has to. She used it on herself, she had to have used it on herself And so she's just going to heal because we didn't get a bleeding out scene. We didn't get a zoom out seeing Black Widow Maria Hill just lying there dead and bleeding out. We didn't get that with her. If they didn't die on screen, they're not dead.

Derek: 45:20

That's a rule of a movie, like if we don't see it, it's not happening And she is smart, so she knows that if she needs to convince him that she's dead, she has to revert back to her Skrull form And she looked cute.

Noah: 45:33

She looked cute as a Skrull. She's a little baby guy. So a lot of moving pieces, a lot of again exposition. We're finding stuff out. I feel like a lot of pieces have moved and we need some people to actually make some moves at this point. We're halfway through. We have to see where it's going. I can see it going towards stopping them doing the Super Skrull stuff. I feel like that's where it's going to go. I just need a little more. I feel like we're getting there.

Derek: 46:06

I think, yeah, at this point we actually have to sort of see the Skrulls attack or invade. Well, they have, but barely. Yeah, you know, we've heard about it, it's happened a lot off screen. Are we going to actually see them?

Noah: 46:24

move. Well, that's the thing about this right. It's supposed to be a shadow war, it's supposed to be done without all these people knowing. So what is going to be the extent of like the all out? We're just going to fight in an open field in the middle of nowhere, like that's what's going to happen, you know, like back to Russia. So at this point I don't know who to trust. I don't. I don't know if I can even trust Fury. I don't know if there's a real Fury and a Skrull Fury. I don't. Something could be happening, something feels weird about Fury, and it's either his secrets or there's something more. I don't know.

Derek: 47:00

Yeah, i don't know what that place of not knowing what the ultimate final kind of plan for this show is, or the consequences.

Noah: 47:09

The consequences.

Derek: 47:10

We don't know who to trust. We now are second guessing Priscilla, we're second guessing Rody, we don't know what's going on with Gaia. We don't know how many Super Skrulls there are now.

Noah: 47:21

So well, not the three that he just gave up in the submarine. I guess they could sneak off maybe, but that other dude was really trying to get the other guy to turn his key. It's not okay.

Derek: 47:31

No, he's not going to like that. So we're still in the middle, very much so, literally, of this series.

Noah: 47:38

So next week we have episode four. This month, just as a reminder, we're covering The Punisher from 1989 on our Patreon. So that's what we're doing this month, July baby.

Derek: 47:50

Yeah, let's go.

Noah: 47:52

I think the series ends this month, so what does the future? hold Oh my God, all right So till next week.

Derek: 48:00

All right, folks, Goodbye. Thanks for listening to Abide of artwork and editing by our own Noah. Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Twitter at Abide of pod and on Facebook at a bite of. If you have any questions, recommendations or just want to say hi, you can contact us on a bite of podcom. Please be sure to subscribe, rate and review to spread the word. See you next time on a bite of Bye.