Secret Invasion 4: Beloved | Marvel

Noah: 0:13

Hey, I'm Derek and I'm Noah listening to uh. Bye Tov.

Derek: 0:19

Where we take our Surprise. I don't know where that was going, where we take our current favorite pop culture obsession and enjoy it one nibble at a time.

Noah: 0:29

Ooh, five weeks into the invasion of secrets, we're five weeks in and another person's dead the same way.

Derek: 0:40

Yeah, wow, another ending where someone ends dead. What a cliffhanger.

Noah: 0:46

You got us again, all right, so we're going to talk about secret invasion, but can I just real quick. So the Emmy nominations are announced, right, yes, Okay, the last of us, which was the major series that we covered last time. We actually had a wonderful interview with Evan Bolter, the cinematographer for some of the amazing episodes, our favorite episode of television ever, episode three. I cannot believe I just want to put this out there I can't believe they weren't nominated.

Derek: 1:20

I was so disappointed when I saw that Four nominations.

Noah: 1:25

How dare you?

Derek: 1:27

Boycotting Emmys Especially for that episode, when both of the actors well, I mean figure all four of the actors in that episode got nominated, two of them as special guest stars.

Noah: 1:36

It was magic. Yeah, I mean, they literally cut up feathers to make it look magical.

Derek: 1:44

Did they not watch the strawberry patch scene?

Noah: 1:48

Yeah, I mean I think it's wonderful 24 nominations, it's sweeping the Emmys. There's a couple other shows on there, but I just had to put that out there. You know, our friend Evan Bolter deserves that. You are a winner to us. Go listen to our interview that we did with them. I can't wait to see what they do next, but you have the ABO award.

Derek: 2:08

Seal of approval From us, but we're engraving it as we speak.

Noah: 2:15

Look for them. It's going to have to go over the pond, so it's going to take a while. Lots of packing peanuts. But I just wanted to put that out there because it's in everybody's mind, and I was like, oh come on, and Evan is actually the director of photography for Secret Invasion as well. Oh my God, they did a lot of additional photography, Come on.

Derek: 2:32

I mean, both series that we're covering has our friend Evan on it, his name comes right up in the credits and I'm always like I kind of know that guy. I feel real cool.

Noah: 2:41

We did a video chat with him for about two hours.

Derek: 2:43

We sure did. We know him, we're best friends actually.

Noah: 2:47

Surprise. So all the normal housekeeping up top rate review, subscribe. We got a patron if you want to support the show. We got a discord where we're talking about Emmy nominations and everything else coming up, so go join that. Am I missing something? Follow us on socials. There we go. Five stars Got it.

Derek: 3:05

Rate us, yeah, love us.

Noah: 3:08

Please Love us All right. So tell us what happened last time, to catch us up to this time.

Derek: 3:13

The Secret Invasion, episode three was called Betrayed, and it starts with Fury chatting with Priscilla about what she's been up to since he's been gone, and she explains what it was like for her to be a widow twice Rude Rude. Talos sits down with Gravic Gravic, gravic, gravic, gravic and Gravic. Gaia tips her father off to a plot to launch nuclear weapons at a UN plane. Fury and Talos manage to stop the attack with super secret, strong password, zachary, not even like an asterisk when exclamating it's fine, I can't Just real easy. Priscilla receives a not so mysterious call and retrieves a gun from a safety deposit box. Gravic figures out that Gaia is the mole shooting her, leaving her dead in the middle of the road. Dead, dead, d-e-d. Dead. She was dead, she's dead. She went to her scroll form and he said bye.

Noah: 4:09

And we totally don't think that she survived, just kidding.

Derek: 4:13

Last week our prediction was that was the end of Gaia. She did not give herself super scroll powers at all.

Noah: 4:19

Amelia Clark, there's a check. Goodbye, three episodes. Bye, babe, all right, so spoilers ahead. All the secrets will be revealed for episode five Go watch it, come back, let's dress and let's have fun.

Derek: 4:30

All right, let us officially take a bite of secret invasion, episode four Beloved.

Noah: 4:36

Give me your not so secret instant reactions to-.

Derek: 4:39

Not so secret reaction.

Noah: 4:42

This episode, episode five. All right, how are you feeling? I mean, we're over the hump right. We're clearly like we All right, episode five.

Derek: 4:51

Did I say episode five? You did, and in my head was giving you the benefit of the doubt because you kept saying five weeks in. So I was like, oh, he's talking about her before you watch episode.

Noah: 5:01

Okay, scratch all of that. Just pretend I said four. I don't know why I kept thinking about episode five.

Derek: 5:06

I don't know, because you can't wait for the next episode.

Noah: 5:09

I mean kind of that's true, so give me your instant reactions for episode four.

Derek: 5:16

So last week I was saying I need more action, yeah, and I feel like we got more of an action scene in this, which I appreciate, but I do think that it was a kind of quiet episode, hmm, yeah.

Noah: 5:32

I mean it is following the same beats as the previous three episodes. Right, it's exposition, talking some sneaky sneaky stuff, and then action set piece Right At the end, and then someone dies. Someone gets shot in this case, shot and stabbed and they're left on the floor. That's what's happened, and Fury walks away.

Derek: 5:56

Oh my God. So I mean?

Noah: 5:58

yeah, I think this is one of the stronger episodes. The performances have gone way up there. They're fantastic. I feel like this one, Sammy L Jackson, really gave a performance, especially with the conversations with Brazilla, and the action was bigger and louder and more explosive. But I think I'm at the point where I don't know what's going to happen and it excites me, but I'm also confused by it because I'm not sure what to make of what's been happening. Right? No, I agree.

Derek: 6:35

And I think that 二 For this series. You know, when we watch these things, we make predictions about things and sometimes they come true and sometimes they don't. I feel like, because there is that beat by beat nature, we're able to really see what's coming next. Personally, I feel like the only sort of player in this that I still don't have a grab on is Sonia, who actually wasn't even in this episode.

Noah: 7:02

I cannot tell you how much I missed her. I needed at least her crafting more eye patches or something.

Derek: 7:08

I thought she was going to come in on her own pink helicopter in the end and try and I don't know, but she didn't swoop in at all in this episode.

Noah: 7:16

She's like oh, battle on my land, I'm not going to help.

Derek: 7:19

Exactly in her own backyard. She's like let him go for it, I don't care.

Noah: 7:25

Yeah, I think overall it's still a solid show, but we have two episodes left and I think this is the first time where I'm like I'm, is the entire plot now to stop World War Three? Like, is that kind of where we're at? Because I almost wish this whole show was trying to stop them from getting, you know, replacing people in positions of power, you know so, more in the shadows, more trying to stop that, but a lot of the people are already in those positions. So graphic is just kind of coming in and just destroying all of it while also gaining power. So I don't know, I like it right, I don't think it's bad, I just am conflicted with it and I think this is one of the first times I feel this way towards especially a Marvel property where I'm like, hmm, this seems different.

Derek: 8:17

I think we have to sort of ask what is it doing to propel the MCU In a way where, like so, we had Moon Knight, introduced a complete new character, ms Marvel, complete new character who is now going to be in the Marvels? You know, even when we look at Falcon and Winter Soldier, we have our Captain America again. It's like they, low key, launched the timelines. You know this feels like. What is this doing?

Noah: 8:46

Yeah, I mean it's giving us an interesting look at kind of underneath the MCU. But right, I kind of want. I'm curious, like how much impact is this going to have? And is it going to be one of those things where we're really not going to see it for a while? Because that's one of, I think, the criticisms of Phase Four that we can say is because they're introducing so much new stuff that, like you know, we got Shang-Chi that came out how long ago and it's like we haven't really seen or heard anything, and that's kind of the same flow. So I'm hoping in this next phase, once it kind of starts wrapping up, that we're going to start seeing all this connectivity again. And I don't know, let's see where the scrolls go from here.

Derek: 9:31

It's interesting because I feel like I had more of a visceral reaction when watching Falcon and Winter Soldier, of like a real love hate this. I feel like I'm just kind of like oh OK, that was another episode. I feel very tepid about it.

Noah: 9:45

I watched it.

Derek: 9:46

Exactly, I watched it, I was entertained for 30 minutes and I'm OK.

Noah: 9:51

Yeah.

Derek: 9:51

You know, whereas I feel like in other series I've had very either like super loved it or was kind of like about it, this is very middle of the road it feels like so, to kind of get into the episode a little more, one of the things and I think to your point is the last episode.

Noah: 10:07

We theorized guys not dead. She already got the powers. You know, roadies been a scroll We've said that from like episode one. So like all of these things are actually happening and so like when this, so when Gaya wakes up from healing herself with the extremist powers, we're like yeah, ok, yeah, we of course they're not going to kill her. Like that's weird, why would they Gaya Alive? But so just to talk about the scene and I only think the only interesting thing about her not being dead because we knew she wasn't going to be dead is when she's in the bunker and getting the memories from the doctor. It's from the human doctor to learn how it works. So are we saying that the scroll ability to get powers to turn into super scrolls actually had to come from the human science and not scrolls themselves? So I think that's kind of interesting that they needed them and they didn't develop it and she had to get that stuff from the human that's the only really interesting thing I could say about this.

Derek: 11:18

I realized what she was doing about an hour ago and we watched this yesterday. When it came out I was like, oh, she's going to assume that woman's identity, I get it. And then we saw her later on. I was like no, it's still Amelia Clark. And then I was like, oh, she got the knowledge of how to use the machine. But I mean, could we say something like they took the doctor hostage and forced her to create this machine, but she had to have the knowledge Like.

Noah: 11:45

my point is, they needed human science to propel this idea and then to go a step further. I mean, were they already developing this type of thing? So was this type of thing already being developed? Was this a doctor trying to do a super soldier serum?

Derek: 12:03

or whatever. That's what I was just going to say, that year and they used that science to that.

Noah: 12:06

That's the only thing. I'm just thinking ahead. I'm thinking of Captain America 4. What is that going to be about?

Derek: 12:12

So I think it also shows how much Gaia was kept in the dark for a lot of this stuff. What they were showing us was that she was sort of a second in command, but in reality it feels like he was using her as a pawn as well.

Noah: 12:28

I don't think Gravick trusts anybody because he's throwing like what's the pagan, what's the I think that's that's the guy's name the other second in command guy, the guy that was on the submarine that we do see in this episode. So somehow he didn't die. But like, how does that guy feel? Because he's like oh, Gaia was a mole, so like the whole thing was just to get her, so you were just going to give me up. So I don't think he gives a shit about anybody. It's not about a home.

Derek: 12:57

Everyone is, at this point, just frightened of Gravick. Whenever he gives an order, whatever he says, they all, they all. He says jump. They say how high, please don't kill me. Yeah, like it's that type of relationship.

Noah: 13:10

He's seven feet Okay.

Derek: 13:12

He's like, hi, I'm, then he shoots them anyway, or same same move, yeah. Right you know how he goes, that's how he rules. It's just, I think he it's at the point where he's become sort of a maniacal leader who's losing his you know hold on reality he's ruthless, yeah, like he's just out for his own gain.

Noah: 13:33

I will talk about Gravick in a little bit, because he's really the end the book end of this episode. The conversations. So Priscilla Vera knocked it out of the park in this episode. The acting is so good. The conversation that Nick Fury and Priscilla have in 2012,. Right after the Avengers movie, right after the Battle of New York. I also like the.

Derek: 14:02

French newspaper. Yeah, les Avengers.

Noah: 14:05

Yeah, it was like Zabata Love, new York but it's edited in French Because I call it something else like that.

Derek: 14:12

That's what it is. That's how everybody refers to it. That's what it is.

Noah: 14:17

I think their relationship is so interesting Because you can't tell even years prior and in the present how do they feel about each other. You can tell they have some type of connection, but they're always trying to pick pieces from each other and keeping each other not too close. It's very interesting.

Derek: 14:43

There's a sense of companionship there, but it feels like because of the line of work that he's in and she's in as well, I guess it keeps them far apart for a long time. So they're a home base that they can come back to, but they know that the other one can leave at any moment. So to get more invested than they are could end up with them getting hurt. So I think they sort of have to keep each other at an arm's length for the sanctity of themselves, to protect themselves but to still give themselves that emotional bond with someone.

Noah: 15:16

And I'm not too sure if we can even really fully trust her, like even back then and now, especially knowing what we know now and the person that she assumed the identity and why she did it. I mean, he kind of mentioned like playing the long game and she's like don't do that. And it's like, well, I kind of feel like he has the right to say that because you purposely chose somebody that would appeal to him, like it's like it goes to a different level of like well, if you just loved him in the first place, did you have to do that? Or was she doing that so that way she didn't look how she looked and somebody that he'd be comfortable with?

Derek: 15:50

Well, that's kind of where I was headed, because I think that there is something there between them. I feel like they both feel it, but things got complicated because he went away and she went down a path that you probably wouldn't have gone down if he was still there. Yeah, to me it sounds like she's not going to be. She took on this form because she might've fallen in love with him when she didn't have that form yet and she was a scroll and she wanted to find someone that would be compatible with him.

Noah: 16:19

Well, I don't trust her, I don't fully believe it.

Derek: 16:24

She I, I feel like what makes you feel that way?

Noah: 16:26

I know, it's just the way she the poem right. Okay, so the poem by Raymond Carver, late Fragment. It's the ending line. I don't think I don't think it's necessarily with another person. I think the reason why she relates to it so much is because that's what she wants to feel. She wants to feel like herself on earth not necessarily on earth, but on home. She wants to feel like herself. So like I think there was always a part of her that wanted to keep him close to make sure like what he was promising was what he was gonna deliver. And I feel like over the time, when it didn't really come to fruition, she started kind of doing things that she needed to do to make sure she had a home there or to get to where she needed to do. I just don't fully trust her. I mean, we still have two episodes left and I know she's in the later episodes because there's still scenes from the trailer that we've seen her in. So I'm not too sure. Like I feel like her and Gaia will be more compatible with, like, their ideals, like trying to do what they need to do, but in their own way, I don't know.

Derek: 17:31

When I think about the poem to me. I really liked the poem and it feels like it's talking more about her actions. After the people that you interact with, the things that you do, will you still be beloved? Will you be loved by those and seen as someone to be beloved. And I think that has a lot to do with their conversation that they have, because it's asking are you happy with the things that you've done? Can you say that you will be beloved, held as a beloved person or being by those around you? And that's the morality of what she's been doing. I think that her life was going in a certain path, as she thought, and then, when he disappeared, she had to figure out another way to feel beloved.

Noah: 18:17

Yeah, but she still made those decisions prior to that. You know what I mean. Like, as far as like picking the person that she did, because she even said to him like I chose somebody that would appeal to you, I don't know. Yeah.

Derek: 18:27

I think it's. I think it's based in love, but I think that you think it's based more in a tactical plan.

Noah: 18:32

I think it is based in some type of admiration, but like, not like fully heart feeling, more of a tactical Okay, I wanna get this thing. What's the best strategy to get to that place, but not necessarily from a place of badness.

Derek: 18:49

She must have really been into this plan to get real estate with this guy. That's a big decision and a lot of paperwork, my God.

Noah: 18:58

Well, so the conversation with Nick and Priscilla in the present right. I think that I liked the book ending of like we saw earlier in the marriage and we're seeing the ending of their marriage, they come to mutual agreement like I think we're done, like I think that where we're at now and like we can't trust each other and we're on different paths here, it's fine. And also he was gone for clearly a very long time. She don't need him. But I liked the book ending of that poem. I think it's beautiful. I think the writing of that is beautiful. It is really interesting that a lot of the reasons of she did things was the promises that she made to Priscilla Davis, the person that she assumed the identity is with, and I think it's so interesting that she developed a relationship with that person and also told them to their face like, do you want to fall in love? Like this is what I'm going to do essentially.

Derek: 19:54

I kept trying to I mean, there are obviously some pieces missing to that story because I was like who is this person that Priscilla trusted them enough to say I'm a scroll. Can I take over your life?

Noah: 20:11

But even then did she say that much, which is interesting.

Derek: 20:14

But she probably did she had to have? Yeah, then what are these questions?

Noah: 20:19

she's asking her. I mean, you have to think about like people in the MCU, right? They're probably like used to some of this by now.

Derek: 20:24

Another alien? Yeah, okay, all right, all right.

Noah: 20:31

But so she assumed the identity and she kind of broke her third promise to not hurt Nick Fury and she did in a way of aligning herself with graphic and I think that's like kind of the final straw, like he broke his promise, she broke her promise, done.

Derek: 20:48

I do think that if so, like what is her ultimate plan? Then no idea.

Noah: 20:54

Right.

Derek: 20:54

So that's.

Noah: 20:56

I don't even trust this scroll roadie person.

Derek: 20:58

So it's like she. I feel like if her ultimate plan was to help graphic rise to power, she would have killed him, she would have taken the shot she would have. But I think there is that love that's still there, Exactly Me. So the love is there.

Noah: 21:16

Well, I don't think it's all goes to love. I'm not. No, I can't be sappy.

Derek: 21:20

I got him, I got him, I got him.

Noah: 21:23

No, this is too, too spy crafty. I don't trust it.

Derek: 21:28

So I probably would have shot you Sorry.

Noah: 21:31

Not that you picked up.

Derek: 21:32

You picked up your gun. You should, you should mask the wall. I shot you. Sorry, I thought you were shooting me, I mean there, right?

Noah: 21:41

How did they both know they weren't going to shoot each other? That's love.

Derek: 21:44

Hello, it was. They took a shot at love.

Noah: 21:47

They should have took a shot in the dark and they missed.

Derek: 21:50

They sure did, but on purpose and they were like okay, bye-bye, Teen times over. I was like I, as soon as that happened I mean, the editing of that scene obviously was great, because we didn't know what happened.

Noah: 22:03

I was. I like I just felt a lump in my chest. I was like he killed her.

Derek: 22:09

He killed her yeah. Good thing, you didn't know how dare they were kind of like ah, you did it, I did it. Okay, bye.

Noah: 22:18

So, unfortunately, the Furies are now absolved of their marriage. Will they help each other in the end? I don't know. I mean, Guy Antalos are kind of on the out. She thinks that his plan and the way he wants to do things is a little um, not her speed.

Derek: 22:33

She doesn't want to do it. This is just bad family dynamics all around.

Noah: 22:36

I feel like they're going to I don't know somehow meet up. They just seem like they're both on like the path of like trying to stop something or like not fully agreeing with these people. There's too many pieces now.

Derek: 22:49

I feel, I, I'm, I'm thinking that Priscilla isn't going to make it. That's sad, and as she's dying, she's going to say you are my beloved.

Noah: 22:58

No, they can't mention beloved another time. I swear if they do.

Derek: 23:03

I swear let's say, let's avenge on.

Noah: 23:06

I swear, if they do, all right Okay, all right Okay.

Derek: 23:12

All right Okay.

Noah: 23:14

So after the Priscilla and Nick Fury talking and shooting at each other, I assumed the female presenting scroll that we saw in the shower was going to be Priscilla. I thought that's who that was. No, it's.

Derek: 23:31

Rody.

Noah: 23:32

So she is scroty Cause, that's oh no, don't say that, not scrotum. I didn't say scrotum, it's too close. You said scrotum and made it weird. I said scrotum Rull.

Derek: 23:45

Rull Rody Skrull.

Noah: 23:48

No.

Derek: 23:49

I don't like scroty.

Noah: 23:50

Well, I'm going to call him scroty for the rest of this episode.

Derek: 23:52

Listeners. I apologize. We are officially rated R. There's an explicit. We've gone from PG 13 to rated R.

Noah: 24:00

But I do think it's interesting that after we find out that the scroll who is Rody, is female, the not the energy, but the way he kind of presents himself a little bit in this episode has a little more femininity to it than in the previous episodes. So I think, like once we found out the secret, then there's like those little tiny things that change a little bit, and that's the Don Cheedle's credit.

Derek: 24:24

I think it's very cool that it didn't have to be a male presenting Skrull being a male Exactly. I thought that was very cool, a nice little like oh okay, okay, okay, right, I think that they can shape shift, who cares Exactly? But I feel like every other Skrull we've seen has been presenting the same gender as they've taken on in human form.

Noah: 24:45

Except for Gravic, when he was a tiny little girl. Oh, with the ball. Yeah, you're right.

Derek: 24:50

Yeah, gravic, that's real weird. Wait, wait, wait, wait, the ball go. Huh, is he also the ball?

Noah: 25:01

Oh, ew, that's weird, that's weird. That's grody, okay, so you could say it, but I can't.

Derek: 25:08

I'm just saying it's along the same lines.

Noah: 25:12

My okay, Like Rody's a Skrull Okay.

Derek: 25:16

Oh, we didn't know.

Noah: 25:17

What a surprise we knew. I think like the only thing that's going to make it impactful and I kind of embumbed that it's not impactful that Rody to Skrull is when. When was he a Skrull? And the only thing I can think of is that he was replaced during the blip, possibly, and he doesn't know about Tony.

Derek: 25:38

Well, that's sad. That's when it like I mean I have who cares if Rody is?

Noah: 25:43

a Skrull and if he was like replaced, like last week, it's like okay, so where's go find?

Derek: 25:47

Rody, maybe you can fill in this blank for me that I'm having Probably not so War Machine gets into that accident and can't walk, and then he gets a device to help him walk.

Noah: 25:59

Yeah, like leg braces.

Derek: 26:01

Leg braces that Tony developed. When did he stop using those? He's probably still.

Noah: 26:06

I put this in quotes, still using them, but they're under pants, Like he doesn't have to have them on top of his pants.

Derek: 26:12

Oh, I just remembered them. I thought they were larger. No, they were pretty they were sleek yeah.

Noah: 26:18

And he had this in spiky USA and also he like has the nanotech, so like maybe he has like the War Machine stuff underneath.

Derek: 26:27

I guess the point I'm getting at is that I don't think that this Rody needs those things.

Noah: 26:32

Oh no, not at all Exactly.

Derek: 26:34

So that's why he doesn't have them, whereas actual Rody probably does.

Noah: 26:38

Yeah, yeah. But I think, like now, the only reason why I'm saying like even if it was actually Rody, we probably wouldn't see them, because the only reason why we saw them in the first place was to tell us like Tony helped him walk again. So here's the bracers outside of his sweatpants.

Derek: 26:55

Got you know they really needed to illustrate that, yeah.

Noah: 27:00

But this would tie into armor wars, right? I've said this before that somehow they got his technology and then it's going to go into his movie and trying to get that stuff back. That's really all I can say Weary. Williams coming back during armor wars her show.

Derek: 27:14

Oh, what is Iron Heart coming up? I don't know. They keep moving it Also. Everybody strikes, that's right.

Noah: 27:19

So never, I don't know At this point next year that is. That's probably really good, but I believe they're both going to be together at some point. They kind of have to be the legacies of Tony Stark. So there's that.

Derek: 27:35

Meow, meow. There's that, there's that Meow. But this whole scene between Fury and Rody is very much like a cat and mouse thing 100%. Fury thinks he has him, then Rode has him it's all back and forth.

Noah: 27:52

Nick Fury was like hamming it up a lot Like come on.

Derek: 27:56

He said you want some of this baby? He was hamming it up.

Noah: 28:01

He was like he really was. Because it was like. He was like oh, we're friends. Did you know that there's a scroll in the US government? I'm like I don't think Nick Fury ever talked like that to anybody?

Derek: 28:11

Yeah, and then he pinched his cheeks. The baby Rode, don't? There's a little scroll with your president, friend.

Noah: 28:19

Like that.

Derek: 28:19

But it felt like to me.

Noah: 28:21

It kind of did, but I did like that. He told him like no, it's not poison, it's just nano trackers. And he's like, oh okay, it was nano trackers.

Derek: 28:28

Okay, listen, listen. If you're in a spy movie, you never drink something that someone you don't trust gave you.

Noah: 28:36

If the bottle is unsealed and it was poured before you got into the room, never drink it. No, don't even drink it from the bottle.

Derek: 28:44

So take a step back. You're taking a shower. He's in there. He's in there.

Noah: 28:48

Yeah.

Derek: 28:50

Howdy, howdy, howdy. He said, knock, knock, I got a key card coming right in.

Noah: 28:55

I mean, I'm sure he could easily pick a key card block at this point.

Derek: 28:59

Or is he scaling the side of the building? I hope so, right, yeah, yeah, he's got rocket launchers. Let's go, baby.

Noah: 29:07

Cover boots. So this episode Roadie's a scroll. Guy is not dead. Priscilla and Nick slash. Farrah and Nick are not together anymore Sad. Who knows where Guy is going to come in again. Who knows where Priscilla is going to come in again?

Derek: 29:26

How do?

Noah: 29:26

you divorce a scroll, you say bye-bye, does paperwork.

Derek: 29:31

You do the headbutt thing, but like in first you un-headbutt yeah you have to run at each other really, really fast, crack, and then you slowly back away.

Noah: 29:40

Yeah.

Derek: 29:41

And then you say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.

Noah: 29:43

That seems about right. Yeah, so the last big section of this episode is the action set piece. President Ritzen comes to the UK. Skroty is there in his caravan. You said it too. Don't shake me.

Derek: 29:59

I don't like it I don't like it.

Noah: 30:01

I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. And we know that Gravick knows that he's coming. He's already made a plan for him. They go pew pew, shoot rockets. He knows what car he's in. I loved the scene where every missiles are flying helicopters over, everybody's shooting and then Skroty is just sitting in the car during all of it.

Derek: 30:23

The entire fight.

Noah: 30:24

I would have if I was one of those secret agents or secret service or anybody in the MI6 slash British military in that fight, knowing that war machine and Avenger is there and just sitting pretty in the car, it'd be like can you suit up something at some point. So I don't think you're covering yourself in that. Well, he's like.

Derek: 30:46

I don't care. Whatever, good luck, sucker. He's like Gravick told me I had bad breath. I am not getting involved, we're fighting, we're fighting. Something I want to talk about is giant vans with rocket launchers in them. They all have them. That was the coolest thing, it was great, that was the best part of this. But why did they need it? I guess they're prepared for any. They know rocket launcher in the front, rocket launcher in the back, and then you know fancy Cadillacs in the middle.

Noah: 31:14

So good.

Derek: 31:14

Bulletproof, bulletproof.

Noah: 31:16

Five inch glass.

Derek: 31:16

Oh my God, he was trying to get him out of the car. He couldn't. Talos, mr Punchin cement, he couldn't get through that glass. Yeah, that's some strong glass.

Noah: 31:27

Yeah, that is like five inches thick it's really concrete.

Derek: 31:32

It's not that glass no.

Noah: 31:34

Okay. So when they're trying to get the president out and Talos, this Talos, like you're just too nice and you too much want to make sure that your hosts of the planet see that you are good, and I get that and I appreciate that. But at some point you could have just gone to the other side of the car where they weren't shooting at you guys and you would have been fine. I get, they did it for story purposes, but the fact that, like Talos, trying to get the president out of the car, gets shot and is going in between scroll and he's dying is just so upsetting to watch. Yeah, and it's just sad. And by the end of it, he thought he thought that the British soldier that's all he was an alien freaked out. I was like, oh, okay, he thought that they were like, oh, he's helping me, this guy's helping me. He sees that I'm good. I'm going to have to be graphic, which I can't stand. This guy.

Derek: 32:35

I got to track this scene because graphic was in a helicopter last time. Oh, he jumped down.

Noah: 32:40

No, he was down there because he did, but then when?

Derek: 32:42

did he come around? When did he come around and shape shift and then where's?

Noah: 32:45

I don't know we saw how fast he could shape shift in a square of people.

Derek: 32:49

I guess, and we also did see his group powers in this scene. Yeah, crunchy, crunchy, roots, yeah.

Noah: 32:55

So we saw his group powers. They're cool, they're fine, and I have yet to see Calypsoidian or Frostbeast's powers so far. But we'll see what those even are. I don't know what they super straight.

Derek: 33:08

He's going to freeze.

Noah: 33:09

Talos in eyes. Yeah, I have no idea. But so he kills Talos and it's just kind of upsetting because I do feel like it calls back to the poem a little bit, because he is himself and he wanted to be called beloved and he's on earth it's a place he tried to make his home is just kind of sad. I like Talos in this series. He's one of my favorite characters in the series. Do I overall care too much? I don't know. I think it's like I think it loses its steam if again for another episode in a row, somebody's dying, kind of the same way. I do think he is dead, just like Maria Hill, because they're not going to keep bringing people back. You can't keep doing it.

Derek: 33:54

It's sad and yeah, it was like, oh man, but literally we've seen this two other times, a very similar ending to an episode. I also think something that's irking me a little bit is something that helps you, as a viewer, feel the emotion of what's going on is seeing other characters react to it, With both Maria Hill and now Talos Fury's kind of just like looking at them a little surprised. I mean, I'm not saying that he's going to drop to his knees and be like no, but something give us something.

Noah: 34:31

I mean, yeah, he gave a little bit of emotion, but I am kind of just upset that he left him there Like the alien on the battlefield that the United Kingdom and everybody's going to see which might be part of the point but he just left his friend there. And, like the president's, already sleeping in your car.

Derek: 34:52

He's taking a nap, like go get your friend. And I mean I'm guessing that Gravick's plan here was to capture the president so that they could put a scroll version of him or kill him.

Noah: 35:05

I mean he just they wanted clearly shouting in Russian, they wanted Russians to know. So that's why I'm thinking that this whole thing again is to ignite some type of world war, which they wanted them to think it was Russia that was attacked, right I? get it. Okay, you failed, or, I guess, did you. I don't know. We're gonna have to see. I don't think Ritzen is going to make it out of this alive, because we know Harrison Ford is the president during Captain America 4, so at some point he dies or his reelection is like up next month and he's out. He was just an interim situation. He did not get reelected, yeah but if I'm remembering correctly, is this the president that like instated John Walker and Falcon and Winter Soldier.

Derek: 35:48

I just had that same thought, Are you sure? Yes, it's not Dermot Mulroney. I would have remembered that. I was like who His name is? Ritzen. It's not resident Ritzen.

Noah: 36:00

Okay, well then, he's fine. He's fine then.

Derek: 36:03

Because I was gonna be mad at him if it was him. I don't know, this timeline's getting confusing. I don't know who's the president anymore, but I what happens now? My thought is that Fury is going to get together at some sort of Sonya safe house with the president, maybe there's a back to hell and they're gonna work something out, yeah, and Guy is gonna come along and he's gonna be like your father died and she's gonna be like I'm gonna get revenge.

Noah: 36:31

Yeah. So I do think that all the scrolls get all of the abilities, Like I don't think you can pick and choose. That'd be weird. But we'll see if she has more abilities, because I can't really see her standing up to Gravic if he has all four abilities and she could just heal and do some fire. She can too, but I do feel like she's gonna go after him. I think so.

Derek: 36:54

I think it's gonna be her revenge thing. Great.

Noah: 36:57

Two episodes, two more episodes. I think it's fine, you know I'm. I think it's fine, I like it right, and I think that's the best that you can experience when you watch something.

Derek: 37:09

Yeah, it's getting a passing grade. It's got like a solid B minus.

Noah: 37:14

Yeah right, it's verging on a C for me.

Derek: 37:16

Yeah, yeah.

Noah: 37:17

These next two episodes are really going to determine where it goes. If somebody gets shot and left on the ground again, I'm done. I'm done. Who's it gonna be? I'm done, priscilla the president, sonya.

Derek: 37:31

No, get off, I'm just picking women.

Noah: 37:36

That's true. Well, it's fine. Only one woman died.

Derek: 37:38

Yeah, yeah, almost so we're good, we still got time, oh my God.

Noah: 37:42

All right, so next week we are talking about episode five, not this week, not episode five. Next week is episode five. We'll see where this goes.

Derek: 37:51

Some would say the fifth episode of a six episode series is known as the.

Noah: 37:57

An ultimate.

Derek: 37:58

There you go, I'm saving it for next week. Mama give it to them now. No, we want it now, baby. No.

Noah: 38:04

All right, so till next week We'll see what happens. Secret or about Invasion?

Derek: 38:10

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